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QUEENS FOR THE DAY

Last Thursday Taylor and I had the privilege of spending the morning with a group of amazing moms at PS 186 in Bellrose, Queens; who watched Lucky Ducks and then took part in a two and a half hour Q and A with us afterwards.

You heard me, two and a half hours.  And it could have gone another two as the hands were still shooting up and we were still talking and the stories kept coming and the sharing continued and if they invited me I would go back tomorrow, except I’m in LA, but I would go next week for sure.

It all started when Harriet Cabelly contacted me after Taylor and I hit the cover of The Post. She  sent an email and introduced herself as a social worker in the NYC public school system from  Queens.  She had seen the film and felt in her words.  “I think this is a must for all parents to see, certainly in our society today.  Because as you say, it starts with the parents.”

I told her if she gathered a group of parents I would be thrilled to come talk with them. She said being a public school (and we all know how they have been hit) they didn’t have funds to pay for speakers. I said I wasn’t in this for the money; I made this to reach out and hopefully shine a light.

I told her pick a day after Taylor got back from college and we would be there.

Harriet quickly became a member of the tribe and we met up by happenstance after she read my blog on the Nail Spa and we ran into each other there one afternoon. We sat and talked for hours and it felt like I had known her forever. It’s the only time I actually sat long enough to let my toes dry properly.

But what was so amazing about last week and what sticks in my mind is the whole experience reinforced something I always knew about Lucky Ducks – that it is not just a film about the Upper East Side or Beverly Hills. It’s not just a film about privileged kids or moms who may spend too much for a handbag.

It is a film for all parents and the issues are fundamentally the same.

The moms who gathered at PS 186 were as diverse ethnically, and socio-economically as they were in age; some had kids as young as five, others as old as thirty.

But they all had the same questions; which were the same questions I have been asking myself, the same questions we ask in the film and the same questions any good parent asks. What are we doing? How are we doing it? And how can we be doing it better? And what part does our past play in our present?

Every one was concerned about spoiling  and spoiling comes many forms.

Saying no is huge, and saying it for the right reasons and sticking with it. We all agreed we had trouble with this one.

Moms were worried about how much freedom to give and when to give it.

Everyone understands we need to give them wings, but how hard that is to do.

And the five year old who just needs a few feathers attached is different than the seventeen year old who needs a full set and perhaps may take a few years before they learn how to fly. But we have to often times stand silently on the sidelines and watch them fall until they figure it out on their own. We agreed that making them dependent on us was not a good thing, though we secretly liked it sometimes when we felt like we were still needed.  But, we want to send strong, independent people out into the world to find their own way. And do that we really have to step aside more times than not.

They just wanted to share their experiences, hold them up to mine and together see how could we find some solutions. They also really wanted to hear Taylor’s point of view, a glimpse into what the often times silence of a kid really means.

There was the mom who was worried about giving her five year old too many things.

“I want to buy her things, but how much is too much?”

That is a hard one to answer, as we all want to spoil our kids, for a variety of reasons, not all of them good.

When I asked how many moms go in and pick up for their kids, if a hand didn’t go up a smile or raised eyebrow indicated that we were all guilty as charged.  How many nights have I been in Taylor’s room at midnight folding t-shirts and hanging up jeans?

We also all agreed that so often we are the parents we wanted to have as opposed to the parents our kids may be looking for. Most of the time your child does not need what you were lacking. This takes a lot of self-reflection and then behavior adjustment and these moms were so up for it.

They exhibited my favorite characteristic, fearlessness.  They opened up and admitted their shortcomings and since most of them knew each other they were all willing to help each other out.  Something I don’t see in my parental neck of the woods very often.

And  when one – as we all do, might not have tagged herself correctly;

“ I don’t hover”  Six women good-naturedley  chimed in  “Oh yes you do.”

The honesty made me  proud, proud of them, proud to be a part of this group and proud that the film had sparked this lively discussion.

But at the same time it distressed me, as the people who should really be watching this film, are not the ones who are willing and able to own their parental shortcomings and search for ways to amend them.

The parents I know all too well, the ones for the most part who have kids in many of the private schools in New York and the rest of the country, the parents who are so self protective of this image of perfection of both themselves and their kids that they refuse to watch the film or own their participation in what could or is wrong with their families.

“The film should be shown at every private school in New York”  At least ten psychologists and doctors have told me as much.

I’m not saying this because I made it. I’m merely repeating what has been said. I happen to agree.
But do you think one will show it?

Every private school in the city knows about this film, not one has asked to see it, show it and have us come speak.  But Yeshivas have contacted me; public schools in New Jersey have contacted me. Apparently after the other day more schools in Queens and Long Island plan on showing it. And if they want we will go with it.

I see who buys it and it’s not the private schools.  It’s the public ones all over the country, some Catholic ones and  social workers like Harriet who understand what has to be done.

A friend out of state took it to their private school and felt strongly that the parent body should be forced to watch it. They refused, the response being “ We don’t want to upset the parents.”

What they really don’t want is to threaten their capital campaigns.  And if you start insinuating that maybe giving junior a black Amex and use of the G4 is not a good parenting tool you may lose your new gym. Or if you suggest some one’s daughter may not just have an over active metabolism but is suffering from anorexia, well – kiss that pledge good-bye. And heaven forbid one suggests four tutors doing a kid’s homework while in the short run may get an Ivy League acceptance, and make the school’s college list that much more impressive;  but in the long run it will not teach the self-reliance and competence one needs to really tackle life.

I just finished reading New York Magazine’s cover story on the suicide at Dalton last year.  The article does not paint Dalton well.  It basically accuses them of denying the suicide took place in different ways; like taking classic books such as Hedda Gabbler, Anna Karenina and Death of a Salesman out of the curriculum.  So we are not just going to pretend this didn’t happen and that the natural feelings that accompany such a trauma don’t exist,  but we shall dumb them down as well?

The article goes on to talk about how on the anniversary of the young man’s suicide the school “squelched any meaningful group observance.”  This apparently infuriated students and some parents. Sounds like a good way to teach kids how to cope  with life to me!!!!???

“Dalton’s actions gave the appearance of protecting it’s reputation, not it’s students.”

I would tack on capital fund to reputation.

Thank heavens for the moms of PS 186 and the other schools out there who are willing to bring us in and look at the tough issues, and search for ways to fix them. And do the really hard thing and look at themselves.

And bless you Harriet Cabelly for seeing the truth and helping others find it by not being afraid of it.

And most importantly, the mothers of PS 186 – Bellrose, Queens,  you are Queens every day as far as I’m concerned.

PS 186 - Bellrose Queens

Talking with the moms

Third from the right - Michele Rowe, Parent Coordinator, PS186, The Castlewood School

Moms are moms, most of the issues we face are the same.

This is Jennifer - she is worried about spoiling her daughter. Daughters are easy to spoil. Like all these women she is really asking the tough questions.

Harriet Cabelly who made it all happen.

Posted in Tracey Talks

  • http://www.parentingwithfun.com Nicky

    Hi Tracey,

    I totally understand, how frustrating this must be. You have pointed the truth out, that schools close their eyes and of course dumb down our kids.

    It is so important nowadays to be alert and be open for such films as Lucky ducks (still not watched it – but it is on its way from the US to europe).

    I see europe going the same directions and I am very worried about it. But I also see at the same time how many parents are out there, that want to do it different. they want a life with less “things” but more familyconnections.

    And yes, unfortunatly only certain parents reads the right books or watch the right films and the ones that should, dont bother. But I am sure that by spreading the word and telling lots of others, will help and bring out the message. Because by doing so, you make happy parents or just more happier people, and that is how everybody wants to be.

    thanks for being the way you are!

    greetings
    Nicola

  • http://www.testingforkindergarten.com karen quinn

    Tracey, your movie should be required viewing for parents of preschooler across the country. That gives parents a view into the future that awaits them if keep spoiling their kids. There’s still time! You can turn it around! I would have been a much stricter parent and less of a pushover had I seen this movie when my children were just starting school.

  • Michele Rowe

    You’ve hit the nail right on the head. Maybe that is the fundamental difference with we public school people from Queens. We understand that what the eyes don’t see EVENTUALLY the heart will feel. Our kids need love but love is not shown by the amount of”things” we give. It’s structure, caring, loving discipline and plenty of honest conversations….the hard kind. You are welcome back to PS186 anytime and in fact we fully expect you to come again. Afterall, we are only a few miles away on the LIE! So many parents that missed your visit have heard from those that were here and are asking when you will be back! Remember, once you have become a part of the Castlewood Family we never let you go…welcome to the family….or should I say Tribe!!

  • steve finer

    after some years of perseverating about whether or not I did, or did not, nurture my son and my daughter properly – as a father, widowed when they were 15 and 13 respectively – I’ve long since concluded that the only criterion which matters in our frustrated efforts to guarantee a certain outcome in them as adults is the one which points to instilling in them an appropriate sense of values and social behaviors for themselves and for others. the Golden Rule is often a good point of departure. the real problem all of us face and have absolutely no control over, no matter who we are, and no matter what level of the socio-economic spectrum we are attached to, is the huge influence worldly forces and stimuli and seductions do inevitably wield upon them, and upon how they respond to society at large, out of the home environment. most of our children will make mistakes, some large ones, some small ones. they hardly ever ask us first. but if they still can call upon the gifts we gave them long ago, in times of stress, or need, or trouble, or confusion, that capacity to come back to the abiding values may wind up being enough, for them, and for us. more than this could overwhelm us with joy, and less will certainly disappoint. we shall always love them, but we have to learn to figure out, as well, how to let them go, with grace.

  • tracey

    Great Comment!

  • Sara

    They are all queens! What a group of diverse beautiful women and how great to meet them through your blog. What a great post. It takes a fearless person to look at what others are too uncomfortable to look at!

  • http://www.thekindnessrevolution.me Rebecca Renaud “Mandy’s Mom”

    Tracey! Way to go! The truest form of Kindness – once again you reached out with no benefit to yourself to help others. I agree this movie should be seen in all schools and by all parents. You are a wonder!

  • tracey

    First time I have disagreed with you Rebecca – the part about no benefit to me – every mom I talk to – every kid I talk to – every conversation I have – I learn something.
    This is a place where we are all holding up the mirror for each other!!!

  • tracey

    I love the line “what the eyes don’t see EVENTUALLY the heart will feel.” if i didn’t like you so much Michele, I would steal it!

  • Ed

    I cannot emphasize strongly enough just how important the work you’re doing is. Hopefully, the things you’re doing now will not only help mothers and daughters but also the men these women end up marrying. I only wish you were around back when my wife was a young woman.

    In all seriousness :P –I’m all for having this played in schools rather than the outdated trash (a la Reefer Madness) or propaganda (Passion of the Christ) a lot of misguided ‘adults’ continue to advocate.

    Peace.

  • Michele Rowe

    it’s ok Tracey, only part of the line that was original was the EVENTUALLY, you can steal it..It was one of my wise old momma’s favorites. Share it where you will!

  • LuAnn Atchison

    It was truly one of the highlights of my life meeting Tracey and Taylor. It is very difficult to find that one person who can truly inspire you and make you understand that we are not alone, and that for the most part, all share the same anxieties, concerns and even dysfunctionalities.

    I am a Parent Coordinator at a very culturally diversed school in Flushing and I was honored to be invited with parents from my school who watched the documentary here at PS/MS 164. Unfortunately, only one person was able to attend and left there with the same feelings that I did.

    I have nothing but the utmost respect for Taylor, to allow her life to be opened to the public. Not a easy thing to do for a teenage girl. You are truly an inspiration to other teenages. To get to meet you and to see a very poised and bright young lady, who is still willing to open up and be honest to strangers, was truly remarkable.

    Thank you again for coming to Queens and for showing us that parenting is not an easy skill to learn and that we will all stumble and sometimes fall. Your honesty and humor is truly refreshing. I do believe the most important message is that we cannot pretend that there are no problems because that just creates more. There is an epidemic of heroin use in the suburbs and pretending it does not exist will not help solve the problem.

    The “Lucky Ducks” presentation will definitely be on my calendar for next year and the years to come.

    And Tracey, you have also been extremely fortunate to meet Harriet Cabelly. She is also a truly amazing woman who has touched my life for the better.

  • michele rowe

    Ok, here we go…I am sitting at a meeting of my colleagues that run a parent support group for children with special needs…We are doing our calendar of workshops for next year. During our discussion, it came up about “Lucky Ducks” and that it has real value to our special needs community too. Truth is how many parents of kids with needs overcompensate and “spoil” their kids because they either don’t know how to handle them, have misplaced guilt or God knows how many other reasons. Truth is kids are kids.
    This all leading up to…..so how does your calendar look in January, 2011? We would love for you to come over to one of my sister schools in Jamaica Estates and speak with our support group, probably anywhere from 25-60 people. Please if you can, give me a date and we will work around you.
    And here we go!!! Thanks, and thanks, and thanks again!

  • http://itsajanslife.blogspot.com Janice Wright

    It was a pleasure watching the film and an honor to have you and Taylor there to talk with us, Tracey. If I’d known the Q&A was going to be THAT long I might have stayed home but I’m glad I didn’t. As the mom of a special-needs child I agree we have the same issues (mine’s an “only” as well which makes things even worse…). Thanks so much for coming to PS 186!

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